Talk:Real Life Villains Wiki

row I see it

The good and evil that you see don't even exist in reality, at least not outside of the mind that believes in them. They are only judgments passed by the individual from their own unique perspective. What one person sees as bad or evil may seem to be the only logical thing to do from some other perspective. The ideas of both good and evil are point of view specific. This is why people like Geroge W. Bush and Osama bin laden are either loved or hated. Bush was seen as good by people who shared his fear based thought system. Those who have a compassionate concern for all of mankind often saw him as evil. Bin laden was much the same. He was seen as a villain in much of the western world, but he was somewhat of a celebrated hero in certain parts of the Middle East. There were T-shirt shops that sold items with his picture as though he was Jesus. His demise was a reason for celebration in some circles and a reason for sadness in others. It all depends on your point of view or perspective.  To sum it all up, good is the name we give to people who do things that we think we like.  Evil is the name we give to people who do the things that we don’t like.  This is of course based solely on our particular point of view.   

RESPONSE

In response to that: you are wrong, evil does exist and while it is true most of the real world is shades of grey rather than "black and white" there are clear cases of universal evil that people dismiss due to arrogance, thinking their is no "evil" in the world. people who do not believe in evil have never seen the works of sociopaths and madmen who torture others for no reason other than self-satisfaction; Thrill Killing is an example of true evil, those who argue otherwise deluded themselves.

AGREEMENT

I  agree. That how the world is; there's good guys and bad guys. When I was young watching war films, I always assumed that the Germans and Japs were bad guys, it was not until I watched films like "Das Boot" and "Letters from Iwo Jima" that it really showed me that history is written by the victors. Because it wasn't until "Tora, Tora, Tora" that I actually knew WHY the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Pronganda said "Why do you want to piss off Japan when you can avoid it?" That never made sense to me. There had to have been a motive. And I'm not surprised at all that the said motive was removed from history books and never taught in school. That's why it is important to listen to the older generation. especially those that where there during critical turning point in history. That's seems like the only way to get the facts. To be honest, this world if F@$ked up.

RE:

I agree with the fact war and terrorism are never a case of "good" versus "evil" as they are motived by politics, religions and a heap ton of cultural differences - all I am saying is evil does exist, not in mass amounts like people claim during war (i.e. this world leader is evil or this entire army is evil etc) but it does exist in the case of killers and torturers who do so purely for "fun" or sexual kicks.

In short, political leaders and so on are never "evil" - just controversial.. however murderers who spread chaos and death and are proud of doing so are arguably a case for evil existing.

So evil does exist in the world, good also exists - too many dismiss both as fantasy and try for amoralism, which doesn't do the world any good.. we have to accept there are some universal evils, such as cold-blooded murder and torture, if the motive is nothing more than harming others for "kicks" then you have a hard time trying to say that isn't evil.

The problem is for most of human history people have tried to use the concept of "good" and "evil" to get what they want and justify oppression - that has to be got rid of if we are ever to focus on the true good and evils of the world, sadly it's human nature to want what one does not currently have and some are willing to use "good versus evil" to achieve victory, again - it doesn't mean there is no good or evil in the world, it's just people have to rethink on what those things mean and come up with a universal (or close to it) theory on what is truly evil and not, Human Rights was an attempt to do this but requires a TON of improvement etc.