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Ivan lost his mother to the boyars when he was a kid, and assassination plots against him were not uncommon, plus he suffered a breakdown when his wife died, so I think he qualifies as a tragic villain, since he initially intended to be a good ruler when she was alive (he claimed to have received a message from God, telling him not to neglect his people). Also, if "Fanatic" is "all that's needed", then why are both Categories on the other Villains wiki? Ivan's religion was his obsession, but fanaticism and religion aren't always the same.[[User:Pyromania101|Pyromania101]] ([[User talk:Pyromania101|talk]]) 22:21, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
Ivan lost his mother to the boyars when he was a kid, and assassination plots against him were not uncommon, plus he suffered a breakdown when his wife died, so I think he qualifies as a tragic villain, since he initially intended to be a good ruler when she was alive (he claimed to have received a message from God, telling him not to neglect his people). Also, if "Fanatic" is "all that's needed", then why are both Categories on the other Villains wiki? Ivan's religion was his obsession, but fanaticism and religion aren't always the same.[[User:Pyromania101|Pyromania101]] ([[User talk:Pyromania101|talk]]) 22:21, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
No, the "Religious Villains" page WAS deleted on Villains Wiki. However, he still had some control on all his deaths, but maybe i'll add that back. However, its still debatable. [[User:Crayzee Dawg 101|Crayzee Dawg 101]] ([[User talk:Crayzee Dawg 101|talk]]) 22:31, October 12, 2012 (UTC)